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For me switching is best described as "I become the other person". Thats it. For me it doesnt feel like roleplaying in the sense im not playing a character im not. (Although for me roleplaying tends to feel like not roleplaying depending on how connected i am to the character.) When i switched the first time my tulpa just took control, did something they wanted to do and gave control back, it was completely obvious and natural, didnt feel weird at all... I didnt even know it was switching. I dont like consent rituals or stuff like that because it implies that the tulpas could break consent which is not how I want my system to work... Also a ritual seems kinda unnecesary to me.

i think a lot of the experiences about tulpamanvy can feel normal and natural. it’s interesting though that you said it felt like roleplaying as another person - maybe that’s the reason why you felt disappointed, it’s not how usually people report the experience to feel.

Yeah, that is the case...

People come to expect switching as this ✨ otherworldly experience ✨ Was with us hah

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And then we switched

if roleplaying doesn’t describe tour experience, how would you describe it?

Thats because people who switch make it sound like this ✨ otherworldly experience ✨ Which i dont understand tbh. (edited)

Switching to us is more like, thinking as another person, from their perspective But deeper, because you're actually that person, or something

people’s experiences differ, it can definitely be magical and out of this world for some - and you can say it about any experience

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so you mention thinking. What about other things, identity, feeling, emotions, attitude etc?

Leiko

people’s experiences differ, it can definitely be magical and out of this world for some - and you can say it about any experience

Like going to the subway, it feels magical every time lol. Such a big hole underground, so weird lol...

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subway annoys me, but i know some people whose minds were blown away by it

I like to see it that way and i actually get mesmerized every time i go (which is every single day lol)

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Its so routine and at the same time such a big break from routine... I love it.

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I love the platform, not actually the train. Where you can see the humongous long tunnels that fade into darkness and the huge cavity you are in right now...

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

subway annoys me, but i know some people whose minds were blown away by it

Learn to appreciate subway!

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And trains are such big and scary machines lol. When they reach at high speed into the platform like metal monsters...

i do believe thwt people inheritely know how to switch, but they are just blocking themseves with overthinking and convoluted methods online

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so i agree with what she said

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however

And by people claiming that switching is hard and crazy...

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Sorry for the rant about subway

im not sure if it will make sense for you, but it seems to me like you might have claimed an identity of your tulpa, because of how connected to the experience you were It is something some people experience switching as and that’s ok If you would like to go deeper however you need a bit different approach I would recommend trying to stay away from all the process of switching, taking a step back, disowning the body and all thinking processes, and when you do let your tuloa handle all of it, claiming what you disowned I’m not talking about any specific method, rituals or symbolism - it is a lot about feeling

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it can also feel normal, but it can feel magical. Netherless the feeling of you being your tulpa might go away

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i think you can do all of that within seconds first time you try it

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if your tulpa woulr be claiming body, thinking processes etc, it’s not you taking control back

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what i’m trying to say is that there are two main experiences of switching “The front” changing identity And an identity claiming the “front” They both are valid and I think it’s unwise to think that the way one experiences it is how it “actually works” for everyone. I did have quite a lot of plural experiences including those two kinds of switching, and i can see how the first one can be disappointing, but you can definitely experience the second one too, which is what you were probably expecting

I should maybe try the second one sometime... Just for fun.

your mistake might be trying to figure out how it works and follow it, which is not understanding how it works

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in it’s core tuloamancy is about your expectations driving the experience

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which is why one can get stuck by overthinking how the things work, because they expect something to work in certain way

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it’s not that brain has a certain function that tulpamancers discovered. what is happening is that tulpamancers exploit the function of the brqin to make up it’s own functions, which is why experiences are so different

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But yea, I don't think I quite get the difference between the two

@OverSavior - jump you don’t get the difference as in you don’t see the effect in the effect or in the process of getting there?

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i would definitely encourage you to explore all of that beyond just thinking

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a person is not thought processes

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there are emotions, and feelings on so mamy different dimensions

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The latter

@OverSavior - jump how dod you approach switching so far? What did you do ?

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can you see how your description matches the first method i mentioned?

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for the second approach what you would do is you go away from the center so that you experiencing yourself is how your tulpa exprriences themselves usually, at this time there is noone in front. You can go as far as you want Then it’s your tulpa, not just their thoughts but also emotions feelings sense of self etc going to what you described as the center

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It seems to fit both cases in my understanding, so I might not get the difference either. Another identity being in the same imaginary spot that is the front would qualify as taking it, wouldn't it?

@OverSavior - jump you described whole process as you doing it

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even in the way you talk about it you are not disconnected from your tulpa, you own their actions

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you might think it’s timy but it’s not

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what you effectively do is you claim your tulpa rather than letting them claim the front with all of themself

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i hope it helps

By the way leiko, how does switching feel between alters, does it also vary or how does it work?

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Whats the usual experience?

the processes are all very fluid for me and it can be anything at any point

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it depends how stressed i am at the moment

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in the past it didnt depend on stress because it was habitual at that point

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but nowadays it depends on the stress level - or what i choose when i’m feeling better

Does it fit into the main 2 experiences you described before?

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Or is there some different one?

i experienced both at different times

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i actuwoly think it’s fluid for everyone, just more fluid for some than others

Well, everything is fluid if you look deep enough...

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There is always a grayscale.

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Unless we wanna talk about pure logic completely detached from reality.

part of my treatment was about observing how those things work and try to manage them, but the problem was whenever i was trying to use my thibking it was just changing the rules all of the sudden. It’s not that i was controlling it using the labels, but more like the labels were forming the experience which then can make one think that that’s how it works if they aren’t aware of that

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it gets much better and easier if you manage to get the feeling involved, and focus on the feeing of presence of a headmate rather than the thought orocess

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i think you would be able to achieve the second kind of switching with little practice and change of your mindset

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again what you want is to separate from your tulpa even in the way you speak, and in actions, let your tulpa be part of the process and don’t claim anything they do for yourself

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not because “that’s the right way of doing it” - but because it will form the experience, and if you would like a more separate switch, that’s how you can achieve it

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good luck to you two! And enjoy!

Lucilyn: switching is your tulpa getting to be the human for a while, pretty simple (edited)

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if it doesn't feel "convincing" you just haven't done it well enough, because it's 100% immersive for us, different mindset/thought patterns between us and all

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any skill/experience can always be practiced/improved ofc (edited)

how usual are oddly specific light headaches?

What do you mean by oddly specific

If you mean specific to tulpamancy, those are common, i think? Especially with switching

idk, i'm not switching

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does it happen with cofronting?

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i dont really know what kelly is even doing if anything (edited)

Juesto

idk, i'm not switching

@Kei Wendt

Oh Well, it can still happen

i see

how have you got over/prevented/gotten around parrotnia? (edited)

My parrotnoia was bad. It took several months before I could settle down, but I feel like an outlier and not part of the norm with this

gray, i wanted to ask, how tulpamancy was for you at first? (edited)

I pretty much kept trying, I used different strategies to keep myself from doubting too much, and one day it just clicked. I didn't have to doubt Ranger as much, it just worked

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gray, i wanted to ask, how tulpamancy was for you at first?

@Juesto - jump It was a hot mess. There was a lot we didn't know and I had mental health problems other people didn't struggle with. I remember early on I was asking people about "evil tulpas" not realizing I was confusing intrusive thoughts for Ranger

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I had no idea what to do with my other headmates either, at the time I thought they were characters but my lack of knowing what I was doing stressed me out

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Oh yeah, Ranger tried to "leave" so I could focus on school. That ended horribly and she never did it again

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I also accidentally muted Ranger for a week

aw

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what improved the understanding?

I'm not sure, dedication and luck probably

I'm taking a new approach to parrotnoia I want to try- While I am aware belief is ultimately very effective, I think it's unfair to ask for belief. I think belief should be earned. That being said, that train of thought inspired this approach: if you get a response from your tulpa, ask if it makes sense instead of whether or not it's you. For instance, if you ask your tulpa if they like the icecream or not, consider if their response "I like it!" makes sense. Since it seems to make sense, it's okay to accept it. I think the exploration approach is consistent with this approach too- if your tulpa doesn't have an opinion yet, responding with "I don't know" to "what's your favorite color?" makes sense. In that case, it's helpful to show them stuff rather than assume they already have opinions

interesting

cant have opinions if you havent experienced things

wow but that’s what the internet is for

it’s a place for people to have opinions about things they haven’t experiences… do you really want to take that away from billions of people?

too silly

aapeli whats your experience with tulpamancy so far? and parrotnia?

interesting to see people struggling with parrotnoia when what i was experiencing was something you could call anti-parrotnoia

ive doubted a few times but then its like how can i feel like shit and 2 seconds later smile like nothing happened

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otherwise its been pretty good or similar to how i was before

TiCtAc(✧×✧)

interesting to see people struggling with parrotnoia when what i was experiencing was something you could call anti-parrotnoia

please elaborate @KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk (edited)

some days are kinda quiet some are more doing stuff together, whatever both of us feel

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overthinking is how you get doubt